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    • vaette
      vaette Crazy last edited by vaette

      In a surprise twist this seems one of the less broken new heroes in a bit. Still too strong though, the winrate no doubt let down by a lot of players trying to either 1- or 4/5-pos it when neither seems to make a whole lot of sense. Can certainly semi-carry, but a strength hero with no steroid (well a crit on a too-long 10 second cooldown as its only steroid) does not seem a reliable hard carry. As a support the utility seems pretty trash, the ult is a better Kinetic Field, but not that much better really.

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        beach Crazy last edited by

        Too strong? Seems garbage to me after a few games with it in

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          beach Crazy last edited by

          ok my sample size is 3 games and it's 2-1, but the game it won I don't remember it having much impact at all even with a Monkey on the other team

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          • vaette
            vaette Crazy last edited by

            All his stats are too good, nerf strength gain, movespeed, and attack range a bit and we're getting closer. The skills are good but not as broken as e.g. o.g. MK and grimstroke.

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            • vaette
              vaette Crazy last edited by vaette

              I've only played against it, but caught some pros/streamers trying it out, and I got the feeling that the chassi is just really strong.

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              • vaette
                vaette Crazy last edited by

                To return to this I think the truth of Mars lies somewhere between the James (broken as hell) and beach (not that good), at least (filtering Archon through Ancient) the stats are of that nature:

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                Sort of surprised to see Bloodseeker in there though, that has snuck up on me a bit.

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                • Tango
                  Tango Crazy last edited by

                  There are always a few surprises in these lists, like when is the last time you saw a Warlock?

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                  • vaette
                    vaette Crazy last edited by

                    Granted this is a 24h sample as well, but even moving the tier filter around Warlock seems to be doing really well. Has been getting buffed for several patches straight, so I guess that has made the difference.

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                      liam_j_h Crazy last edited by

                      it could be argued that his win rate is lower than it would be given viper is still a strong pick and has a high pick rate in that list, i imagine if viper gets nerfed again mar's win rate will go up significantly assuming he remains constant

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                      • vaette
                        vaette Crazy last edited by

                        True enough, both'll get nerfed a bit for sure though. I suspect for Viper a nethertoxin cooldown increase, even a modest one, would go most of the way needed.

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                          beach Crazy last edited by

                          Cooldown + mana cost for nethertoxin is what it needs

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